tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post4554541479501768243..comments2024-03-12T02:44:51.622-04:00Comments on Idle Hands: SDCC 2015: Cosplayers Charging For Photos NowIdleHandsBloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05710248532359680328noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-89220769416761815752016-08-24T11:18:29.599-04:002016-08-24T11:18:29.599-04:00The only time I ever paid a cosplayer to do anythi...The only time I ever paid a cosplayer to do anything, I can't tell you here because this is a family friendly show 😉 dumbojoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374678926117410047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-12474183948347632712015-10-24T00:28:37.682-04:002015-10-24T00:28:37.682-04:00I found this site because I also had a bizarre enc...I found this site because I also had a bizarre encounter with Spock Vegas at the Salt Lake Comic Con and after asking around found many people knew exactly who I was talking about and thought he was charging for photos and shouldn't be so I wondered if there was anything online about it.<br /><br />Well, here's my expirience. I saw him standing (to me he appeared to be posing) in one of the aisle ways from a distance and so I made my way over to take a picture but when I got there he wouldn't make eye contact with me so I figured he didn't want to break character and I'd just take the picture. Apparently a bad move on my part. After he blocked my camera with his hand and I thought he was going to grab the camera (he thought he was violated? what about my personal bubble space?) I received a reaming from him I won't soon forget and neither will my companions who said his shocking behavior ruined Spock's character for them. After the reaming he stuck his nose up in the air...literally in the air, like he's royalty and I'm a peasant.<br /><br />I can understand someone feeling violated by not being asked to have their picture taken (but keep in mind I thought he posing and didn't want to break character) I could have honestly apologized for that if his anger level wouldn't have started off at a 10 and he hadn't finished it off by sticking his nose in the air. By that point I just felt dismissed. I never saw any booth that he was part of and he certainly didn't explain he was doing pictures for charity. <br /><br />Given the setting of Comic Con (people are generally excited and generous about having their picture taken. I know I am when I'm in costume) he just came across as a psycho. But I think my friend said it best as we walked away..."well, he's just a big tease, isn't he?" He dresses up, he poses, but if things don't go down the way he wants it's all over. The sad part is that for a lot of people he's not just destroying the image of himself he's destroying the image of Leonard Nimoy and the image of the charity he's working with. <br /><br />Spock Vegas if you're listening and you're interested at all in making more money for your charity, making more fans, and maybe improve your image just...be kind. Generosity never hurt anyone. Explain yourself and your charity to people in a manner that makes people want to donate and take your picture. Don't make things worse with arrogant replies and treating people like dirt. I've worked in retail for 15 years. Dealing with the public sucks sometimes, I get that, but I could never act the way you do to potential customers and still have a job. Be grateful for what you have and remember at the end of the day you're not really Spock and non of us are cosplayers. We're all just imperfect humans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-45818836617277070772015-07-20T18:55:18.650-04:002015-07-20T18:55:18.650-04:00I've never had too much use for the IRS before...I've never had too much use for the IRS before, but this seems right up their wheelhouse for some reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-49257827975104652102015-07-19T11:29:29.685-04:002015-07-19T11:29:29.685-04:00I apologize for typos. I failed to spell-check cor...I apologize for typos. I failed to spell-check correctly. Faith Breauxhttps://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=815855401842574&ref=bookmarksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-78505648057159731832015-07-19T10:57:29.766-04:002015-07-19T10:57:29.766-04:00I've read all your post Kuma, and want to give...I've read all your post Kuma, and want to give you much respect for how well you express points. Much better than I could of done. <br /><br />Reading over all the replies of this actor named Spock Vegas shocked me; not just for the level of extreme unprofessional in handling I and the views of others, but his attitude is unbelievable. <br /><br />If his image is so important to him, even if it is for selfish reasons, he would of done his best to talk with each of us with respect, even if one of us did not show any. He would with open-kindness towards each of us explaining as to why we misunderstand him, and offer to want to speak with each of us personally. That is not just professionalim, but how any honest person who loves what they do would treat a situation like this. <br /><br />Did this happen? Quite the opposite. <br /><br />In a nut shell, his reaction is to dehumanize us. This whole out of thousands of fans, I couldn't care less about you few meaningless "ruffled feathers." I just "feel sorry" you people. <br /><br />As if we're just defaulted items.<br /><br />If I were one of his fans, and read that last post he directed to me (but for some reason posted it on the main board.) I would be asking, well wait - does this mean I am just one of thousands that's just a product to boost you? Because you sure do not care about the few who give a darn enough to express their thoughts that you disagree with.<br /><br />This is a perfect example that solidifies the reasons I keep away from nearly all fandoms in the west. Faith Breauxhttps://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=815855401842574&ref=bookmarksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-36103617691515534092015-07-19T07:29:09.968-04:002015-07-19T07:29:09.968-04:00..... ..... DirtyHippieKillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14609416555632315220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-56649089968829629282015-07-19T07:28:21.478-04:002015-07-19T07:28:21.478-04:00You imbecile... You clearly did not read what the ...You imbecile... You clearly did not read what the person you are responding to actually wrote.......... DirtyHippieKillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14609416555632315220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-60271093608844164202015-07-19T06:59:41.484-04:002015-07-19T06:59:41.484-04:00I am one of those guys that believe in how the Jap...I am one of those guys that believe in how the Japanese handle this hobby. I also believe that if you want to make money supporting your hobby, go the dojin path and sell professional-level photos. This means spending more money for the photos and booth. Or do what I have tried doing: Sell tshirts that promote you and have your profits go towards your hobby. Either way, you are being a professional and not a pseudo-celebrity.<br /><br />Because let me give the counter-pointers an example: Once I achieve my campaign goals for my honeymoon, I want to try again and sell promotional tshirts for a business I want to start. And lets say that I am successful with the latter campaign. And lets say that I wanted cosplayers to work for me. Which one of the two types should I hire?<br /><br />A) The cosplayer that sacrificed his or her funds for said hobby, and does not extort or alienate anybody for any gains?<br /><br />B) The cosplayer that does the same sacrificing, but snubs those that can give them no reputation and/or monetary gain?<br /><br />Think about it. Because with my current campaign, and upcoming business related campaign, I am doing it for others more than myself. And that is how others feel that this hobby should be done -- As it can help progress into paying jobs, etc.KUMA-NINnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-71716754854453786342015-07-19T06:42:16.624-04:002015-07-19T06:42:16.624-04:00Can I give you an honest opinion? If the "ima...Can I give you an honest opinion? If the "image of Spock" is valued to you, then your attitude and level of professionalism would be different. For beginners, you should have resolved the issues that others have brought up. Even if it was one person at a time or offered through a public email-based option. And you would also show gratitude towards those who have donated for your cause, those who have said nice things about you, and the fact you were given a compliment about your uncanny resemblance.<br /><br />You did NONE of these things. Emphasis on NONE.<br /><br />The entire time you spoke, while using the ANON name, you accused one person of being a liar. You acted like you own Spock's image. You brought up subjects and information that have you make an attempt to divert what wrong you have done here onto others that cannot defend themselves. And you capnit with a self-made sponsorship.<br /><br />Seriously... How can you excuse any of this illogical behavior in the name of Spock? Your behavior in the name of Spock is parallel to how William Shatner handled Star Trek V!!!<br /><br />The point I am making is simple: You have no defense and are not acting like a professional. If you want to be Spock, or represent Spock, follow this one quote: "The sacrifice of the few, or the one, outweighs the sacrifice of the many." As in the fact if you do it for something you want to support, make it about them. Do not make it about yourself, as detailed in your ANON posts here.KUMA-NINnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-26597613292640431292015-07-19T06:05:14.661-04:002015-07-19T06:05:14.661-04:00Here is a reply: If you are doing it for donations...Here is a reply: If you are doing it for donations, do it for an organization that benefits from it. Have a clear sign citing what organization the donations go to, be it on a sign or a business card. This would result in the cosplayer gaining a more positive recognition, unless they lie about who they are donating to or even kept any of the amount for themselves (cheap meals are often excused). Because in the end, it is the level of professionalism and positive reputation that matters the most. And this is where the chance of turning a hobby into a professional paying gig happens.<br /><br />So here is my counter-question for you: Would YOU charge people to enjoy your hobby, or would you share your love of said hobby with others?KUMA-NINnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-73880746736672328212015-07-19T05:52:24.132-04:002015-07-19T05:52:24.132-04:00I am going to stop you right there and explain why...I am going to stop you right there and explain why, Angie.<br /><br />There are two types of cosplayers out there: The hobby type and the professional type. With the type you are talking about, they are doing this for the sake of their hobby. And while a hobby can lead to promotional spots, and cosplayers in Japan also obtaining modeling gigs, many of these hobbyists started by spending money for the sake of supporting their hobby.<br /><br />However... What you are detailing is exploitation, not a passion. Yes, cosplaying may reduce the amount of time you can do at a convention. But you also need to consider that you are making fans happy, putting your face out there, and generating the chance to turn it into a profitable side-profession. What you said destroys all that because no respecting organization would want to hire a cosplayer with that kind of behavior.<br /><br />In all cases, as I say this, I recall my accidental trip to Otome Road. In one shop, as I say this, I remember seeing photos of male cosplayers posing as characters from well known series. Did they start off as hobbyists? Possibly. But this does reflect the fact that even if a person chooses to be known for a single character, their recognition helps them develop the chance to model as said character in semi-professional and professional publications.<br /><br />The point I am making is a counterpoint to your excuse: True hobbyists do not financially exploit for any reason. If they want to make money, look into making it a profession. The right resources can lead to international photo shoots, working for select companies, and more. What you are using as an excuse ruins that because those who do such have no regard for anybody but themselves and any gains they can make.KUMA-NINnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-20354645492690568402015-07-19T02:35:38.860-04:002015-07-19T02:35:38.860-04:00Uhhhhh I don't think you understand the 'C...Uhhhhh I don't think you understand the 'Cosplay is not Consent' movement if you are applying it to your own narcissism. That's a pretty disgusting justification to make for what you are doing and what happens to female/male cosplayers who are physically manhandled or sexually assaulted. You sir.......are no Saint and do a dishonor to Leonard Nimoy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-65066821749767957412015-07-19T02:28:56.268-04:002015-07-19T02:28:56.268-04:00Jada said it best! You chose to go to the con, you...Jada said it best! You chose to go to the con, you chose to pay that much money to do so. It's not other people's problem to pay your way in life. Get a job at a booth if you want money. YOU'RE the entitled one in this situation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-86808003536356882032015-07-18T23:07:45.249-04:002015-07-18T23:07:45.249-04:00If you choose to attend a convention
If you choose...If you choose to attend a convention<br />If you choose to make a costume<br />If you choose to stay at a hotel<br />If you choose to put your costume on and wear it on the convention floor<br /><br />YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY FOR YOUR RIDE.<br /><br />There are vendors there who have paid to sell their wares. This whole cosplay famous is ridiculous, shallow, and narcissistic. IJadahttps://m.facebook.com/JadaHopeDiaz/aboutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-84880313041495423162015-07-18T21:51:31.159-04:002015-07-18T21:51:31.159-04:00I cannot judge you as a person since I do not know...I cannot judge you as a person since I do not know you; threrfore, I never said that is what I think you are. I only was referring to the tone and choice of words your posts' implys. I notice you avoid arguing against my points, and rather speak of your fans; that of which is a questionable action to me. If you're a gentlemen in real life, that's good, but your post here just doesn't reflect that. Writing "I am this" isn't a typical reaction if you're confident your actions display so. <br /><br />Now you come clear again that you're not a cosplayer as a hobby. It's just hard to believe that what you do is the only option of making a living for your life, but it's not my place to question that. It just seems hard to believe reading the tone and choice of words in your post, but alas, that is my view based on my own set of experiences. Faith Breauxhttps://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=815855401842574&ref=bookmarksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-22951427543455007022015-07-18T21:20:50.452-04:002015-07-18T21:20:50.452-04:00So here, you said what you THINK I am, a narcissis...So here, you said what you THINK I am, a narcissistic panhandler, and so it's clear you both have your opinions that do not reflect my every weekend reality. But I am not a Cosplayer and this is not only my hobby like all of you. And all this conversation is about Buskers/Cosplayers starting to charge for posing. So since I am a pro look-alike, with a booth, and proper exhibitor's badge and temporary state licence, I will let you continue talking about your main topic, and withdraw myself from this conversation that I entered simply to clarify what I do for ST fans that enjoy seeing me. I have made myself clear, but of course only the deformed 1% dirty stuff is emphasized. Hey, that's how I decided to do my thing, so I have to live with it. By the way, out of 5000 satisfied fans per weekend, if a few delicate feathers are ruffled, oh well, I am sorry for them, but I am surely not the one giving cosplay a bad name. Read the headlines and the articles, I am a real GENTLEMAN. If you have any other constructive comments, come tell me tomorrow at my booth at London Film & Comicon. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-91703838889780924682015-07-18T18:23:12.969-04:002015-07-18T18:23:12.969-04:00Yes, for example twisting Stormy's words calli...Yes, for example twisting Stormy's words calling her, "jaded and with no moral." Simply for stating the fact that there is no law against taking public photos of people in a public place was uncalled for. She clearly stated she always ask, but just that is what our laws are currently. <br /><br />The whole statement of "pro cosplayer" who does it for a living isn't an excuse not accept what is the consequences of this hobby. If one is so sensitive with privacy issues of becoming popular and many wanting photos, then it's time to do something else for a living, Not everyone is comfortable with celebrity treatment I understand, but if that is the case, quit the hobby and find another hobby that doesn't have those aspects. Faith Breauxhttps://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=815855401842574&ref=bookmarksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-47384821208779550382015-07-18T13:47:56.847-04:002015-07-18T13:47:56.847-04:00Agreed. The more Fake Spock posts, the worse he lo...Agreed. The more Fake Spock posts, the worse he looks.The Toy Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388826499722972069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-17909007039537750762015-07-18T13:44:00.288-04:002015-07-18T13:44:00.288-04:00Hopefully conventions will remove the market of fe...Hopefully conventions will remove the market of featured cosplayers. It isn't fair from the perspective of viewing other cosplayers that do it as a community activity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-72974935233962328572015-07-18T09:06:23.537-04:002015-07-18T09:06:23.537-04:00I agree ,but we have to get featured cosplayers of...I agree ,but we have to get featured cosplayers off the list of attendees .they have become ego loving ass wholes if you don't agree with them or say you love them they just won't deal with you and they think they are the best WFT gave you that right and to think that people look up to them ,come on stop and what about the millions who cosplay you think your better than them and we should all pay your fees and bow down to you.You out there who are self appointed kings and queens of cosplay listen there was no vote on egos yet. just stop there is so many better than you ,but they don't charge people and are not egotistic people who believe they're better and have real jobs not use cosplay as a living , they enjoy it and share there techniques were we can all get better for free because they care and want people to learn how do things they help it each other not fight each other to see who is better.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-54078974699434434412015-07-18T08:37:51.416-04:002015-07-18T08:37:51.416-04:00These people are judging it by the way they featur...These people are judging it by the way they feature and have certain cosplayers getting paid to appear and have pictures at a table charging 15-20 dollars or more so why wouldn't anyone get the idea and thought "Hey if the get paid and I made my costume and looks so better, so why can't I make some money as well.The start of a cosplayer getting paid airfare and hotel plus selling pics a table is getting out of hand.What happened was low end models started charging and dressing at cons now everyone believes they should be able to do it as well, and why not there is no license or test to be a cosplayer. why is one featured at all and getting paid .And I am pissed when I have to pay more than eighty dollars there is ten featured cosplayers on the of people appearing ''give me back money''!!!!! this sucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-1313747803489228472015-07-17T18:11:14.028-04:002015-07-17T18:11:14.028-04:00If you dont want to let people take a picture, tel...If you dont want to let people take a picture, tell them "No" & keep walking. Better yet, carry a sign with the prices you charge so there aren't any misunderstandings from all the other con-goers. Asking other fans to give you money to support your hobby is lazy & rude. Can't afford to cosplay? Get a 2nd job or find ways to do it cheaper. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-17617517443554270012015-07-17T15:56:06.091-04:002015-07-17T15:56:06.091-04:00Not only does he not own the right to Star Trek, b...Not only does he not own the right to Star Trek, but he doesn't own the rights to Leonard Nimoy's image. He is not selling his image, he is profiting off of the image of someone else.The Toy Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388826499722972069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-90028048123553616402015-07-17T15:46:44.193-04:002015-07-17T15:46:44.193-04:00I totally agree with the anonymous person that sta...I totally agree with the anonymous person that stated you do it FOR attention. That is what cosplay has always been about. How much attention can I get with my costume. You want to be stopped a hundred times to get your photo taken, and don't even try to pretend like you don't. Otherwise, you wouldn't bother dressing up.The Toy Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388826499722972069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290093642464784915.post-85940902551939570752015-07-17T13:46:23.526-04:002015-07-17T13:46:23.526-04:00I saw this joker Spock Vegas with my own eyes bein...I saw this joker Spock Vegas with my own eyes being very rude to people at Wizard World Fanfest Chicago in March 2015. Such a big shot you are, yapping here about how people are "stealing" your image. It's not your image, it's the property of whoever owns Star Trek now. Forgive me for not knowing who actually owns the IP, since I think Trek is silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com