Monday, July 13, 2015

SDCC 2015: Cosplayers Charging For Photos Now

While running through the battlefield known as San Diego Comic-Con, the brave crew of 4 Idle Hands reporters see many odd things. Since they predominantly shoot collectibles and cosplayers, they are in the thick of it for the entire show with no leisurely breaks in air conditioned panels or prolonged stops at charging stations inside posh lounges where free food and drink are available. My crew are soldiers. This is WARCON!! While there is no way around the fight that is shooting tiny little action figures surrounded by mobs of fans, we usually don't have a bad time when photographing cosplayers, no matter how little our costumed friends get to move across the floor as they are assaulted with odd requests, inappropriate "jokes", the random grope and long, creepy, lingering looks into their boob windows. These are generally happy people who work hard on their costumes and enjoy showing them off. Sure, there are rude folks who hear your request plain as day, regard you and turn away as if you are not cool enough to capture their image, but that's life. Every group has jerks. What we didn't expect this year was a number of cosplayers trying to make some quick cash amid the Comic-Con frenzy.


Nicole Marrokal has been photographing events with us for some time now, and is not known for exaggeration. She is very pleasant, patient and, prone to wearing costumes herself, is understanding of the trials of this hobby. One thing she'd never thought she would hear is a dollar amount in reply to a picture request...

"One just flat out said it was $1 for a picture. Another cosplayer dressed as Spock would only let you take his picture for a $2 "donation". I was in costume and had no money on me, which I expressed to him and he told me he was there the whole convention, find him later. There was a Hulk who was collecting money as donations for a children's hospital. We also spotted a Groot cosplayer with a sign that said "Tips make Groot grow". At least this one let you take pictures of them anyway."

I have mixed feelings on this. While people should be allowed to answer anything they want in reply to someone's picture request, there's a comfort level that gets shattered when that answer is "pay me". I'm reminded of the bootleg characters in Times Square who run up to tourists to take pictures with them and harass them for "tips" after the fact. Yes, this request for cash is up front, but there are several problems that will undoubtedly arise should this increase in regularity.

1. Conventions will no doubt crack down on the action. Shaking down convention guests for cash when you aren't an exhibitor, and worse, doing so on the show floor..hallways..surrounding areas, will no doubt be frowned upon by the convention organizers. I'd expect if it comes out that this was a frequent thing at SDCC, there may be a clear cut policy stated immediately.

2. Copyright. While we've enjoyed the ability to dress as our favorite characters in celebration of the cartoons, movies and anime they are a part of with no fear of a company yelling at us for it, we've been lucky the companies allow things like models paid for photo shoots dressed as licensed characters, selling prints of themselves dressed as said characters and appearing in booths at conventions in costumes of characters not owned by them. Until now, it's been seen as a further promotion of these properties, and while the company doesn't outright give a thumbs us, they turn a blind eye. When an individual is asked to pay money just to take a picture of someone dressed as a company's licensed character, there may be a negative reaction to the request and thus, negative feelings associated with the character. No company would want that, and a crack down, however possible, would be inevitable. Could we see licensed/sponsored cosplayers one day?

3. The impact on the cosplaying community would be mostly negative. If this becomes a widespread occurrence, I see media outlets, professional photographers and fans avoiding cosplayers like the plague, not wanting to even risk a confrontation over a request for money. From the actual cosplayers perspective, we may see a significant drop in people perusing the hobby. I know a lot of cosplayers that are rather shy out of costume. If they think putting on a costume means people might suspect they will shake them down for cash for their picture, they may stop wearing costumes all together.

UPDATE 1 7/14: People commenting below identified the Spock in question as "Spock Vegas". We showed his picture to our photographer who stated this is the Spock cosplayer she mentioned in this article. We contacted the individual who gave this statement:

"Only professional cosplayers with a comped table or paid booth are allowed to charge for pictures, and at their table only, nowhere else inside. Or, if they are outside the center, they can do what they want unless a busker's permit is required by a by law officer in that specific city."

UPDATE 2 7/15: We contacted San Diego Comic-Con directly to see what their policy is on this behavior at their convention. SDCC staff called the information an "eye-opener" and forwarded us to David Glanzer, Director of PR and Marketing, who made this statement:

"Any sales or money transactions occurring at Comic-Con must be in accordance with California State law and conducted from an area/location that has been designated for that purpose and is prohibited in aisles, lobby's and public spaces on Convention Center property."

I'm very interested to hear what people think about this topic. Did anyone else at San Diego Comic-Con or other conventions this year get asked for money from cosplayers? Sound off in the comments!

85 comments :

  1. All of your points are right on. It's absurd to charge money. Go do birthday parties if you need some extra cash, hah!

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    1. I'd gather 99% of those folks don't pay any copyright fee either. Lots of princesses popping up...twerking...~shudder~

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  2. They are just cosplaying the costume characters on Hollywood Blvd.
    SMH, so sad.

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  3. Well, there already are company sponsored cosplayers. Not a bad thing by all means, but used as a marketing tool.

    And bday party princesses don't Twerk for kids, they change character names & alter outfits to not infringe. They entertain children with g rated material, thinking anything beyond that is your own perverted mind.

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    1. You haven't been on google lately.

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    2. The proper characters are G-rated and skirt as closely as they can to the original material, in order to make the wee ones happy. However, I suppose anything goes at cons, though I try to stay accurate when cosplaying when the wee ones come up. In a princess costume, working or no, I'm in a uniform and go by a code of conduct. :3

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    3. And that's why you are awesome. I often tell people Disney cosplayers are my favorite because they are so used to being kind to children, it makes them awesome subjects for photos, very nice to work with and just all around sunny to be around. I always have the best time with them. With the boom in Frozen popularity and from that, all these budget Frozen princess party hosts across the states and beyond, there were bound to be some ratchet happenings that would make it to youtube.

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    4. These people are judging it by the way they feature and have certain cosplayers getting paid to appear and have pictures at a table charging 15-20 dollars or more so why wouldn't anyone get the idea and thought "Hey if the get paid and I made my costume and looks so better, so why can't I make some money as well.The start of a cosplayer getting paid airfare and hotel plus selling pics a table is getting out of hand.What happened was low end models started charging and dressing at cons now everyone believes they should be able to do it as well, and why not there is no license or test to be a cosplayer. why is one featured at all and getting paid .And I am pissed when I have to pay more than eighty dollars there is ten featured cosplayers on the of people appearing ''give me back money''!!!!! this sucks.

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    5. Hopefully conventions will remove the market of featured cosplayers. It isn't fair from the perspective of viewing other cosplayers that do it as a community activity.

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  4. Absolutely valid points. There are ways to use cosplay to raise money for charities but hitting up other fans and photographers at conventions isn't one I respect.

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  5. A lot of conventions simply do not allow this sort of thing. Gen Con, for example, has performers who ARE allowed to busk and must display a busking permit from the Con to do so. Anyone else busking or performing is violating the Con's policies. Expect to see that become more widespread.

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  6. Are the "charging" cosplayers also licensing the rights to their characters?

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  7. Meanwhile, Costumers are happy and outright flattered if you ask us for a picture ;)

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  8. That's just fucked up. I went to Vegas for Halloween as my Orko Cosplay and once I walked out of my hotel some asked for a picture with me and I said sure and they they wanted to give me $5 and I said I no thanks I am not here for that I am a Cosplayer for New England and I go to comic cons for fun. And I had a great conversation with the person and found out they were from New England also and I told them that people charging to have photos is ridiculous. Here is a note for the asshats charging for pics at cons do it because you love having fun.

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    1. I totally agree that charging for photos is ridiculous. I was in Atlanta as the Governor and a woman insisted I take a couple bucks for a photo. As someone who has been a professional entertainer, I do know turning down tips can be insulting to some. So my policy is to say "That's not necessary" and if they insist, take it with gratitude. You can always put it in a donation bucket for a charity later.

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    2. I agree ,but we have to get featured cosplayers off the list of attendees .they have become ego loving ass wholes if you don't agree with them or say you love them they just won't deal with you and they think they are the best WFT gave you that right and to think that people look up to them ,come on stop and what about the millions who cosplay you think your better than them and we should all pay your fees and bow down to you.You out there who are self appointed kings and queens of cosplay listen there was no vote on egos yet. just stop there is so many better than you ,but they don't charge people and are not egotistic people who believe they're better and have real jobs not use cosplay as a living , they enjoy it and share there techniques were we can all get better for free because they care and want people to learn how do things they help it each other not fight each other to see who is better.

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  9. This is absurd! All the vendors and artist that pay good money to be there at these events just to be over shadowed by some attention monger who needs money for dressing up. The main problem with this is they did not pay to be there like the rest of the assorted vendors and artist did. If your going to charge for a pic due to your bad-ass costume, well then buy a booth, trick it out in your costume theme and charge like Santa Clause does at Christmas.

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  10. Ask for their temporary business license to charge money for modeling. If they don't have it, they are in the wrong (California likes making sure it gets it's taxes through licenses). Only vendors/exhibitors can charge money for things like that.

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  11. I saw it at NYCC last year. I saw a gorgeous costume, no idea what it was, it was just gorgeous though. I asked if I could take a picture and she blatantly stated "I only take pictures for press or for $5." I just laughed in her face and walked away. I've been costuming for 12 years, I would NEVER charge someone to take a picture while roaming the convention.

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  12. Isn't this solicitation or panhandling?

    Yes it's your costume and your face but you're in public. Begging for money is a new low. Politely say "no photos" or "photos only at my Photo Booth with a fee" rather than hassling con-goers for money.

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  13. You mention copyright, how is asking for money for a picture any different from selling prints of yourself as a character? I'm waiting for the crackdown on artists selling paintings, drawings and other media with copyright covered characters as well as cosplayers who profit from characters.

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    1. There is no difference as far as copyright goes. Art and prints of cosplay are seen as an artistic expression of fandom and a company doesn't want the bad press it would get from spending ridiculous lawyer dollars on going after them for little to no pay off. They turn a blind eye in these instances. It's all fine and good, but I find it funny when some cons have a "no photos" policy in the artist's alley areas. I always thought this was because they don't want their use of someone else's characters to be seen and get them into trouble.

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    2. Or maybe the "no photos" policy in the artist's alley area is because many of those artists either work on licensed properties or create their own original works.Not every artist makes their living selling prints of Batman.

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    3. Depends also on the character. Some characters, such as those on the Walking Dead or Archer who don't have specific copyrighted symbols on their outfits, are not really covered by copyright law. Prints of someone dressed as these characters can be sold without owing anything to the owners of the property as the outfits are under "useful articles" - as long as the print doesn't say something like "The Walking Dead's Rick Grimes" on it. But most copyright holders do turn a blind eye even when there is a copyrighted symbol as there would be little payoff, likely some bad press for them if they went after the cosplayer and it does provide some free promotion for their character. However I am sure they would go after a cosplayer who was selling prints of the character that had elements of pornography or such in them... which would not be a good promotion for their character.

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    4. David, fair enough. I've had artists ask me not to shoot their stuff...usually angrily. I'm jaded at this point.

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  14. That is stupid and embarrassment. Dressing up is for fun time. Charging for photos just for cosplaying as hero/villain is crossing the line.

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  15. This will just make people avoid Cosplayers like the plague.
    Simple as that.

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  16. The Spock cosplayer is Spock Vegas. Ran into him at a Con after Nimoys death. He would only take pictures for donations. Distasteful in my opinion.

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  17. As a convention runner, I would absolutely run any cosplayer out of the con after making them donate any money they collected to our charity auction. We have a rule of no unauthorised dealer/vendors and this would fall under that rule.

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  18. Two years ago at an "Amazing Las Vegas" con I had bought a booth space to sell off books and models from my collection . My space was $600 dollars for the weekend . The space across from me had a no-show and was soon taken over by two prominent cos-players in the LA and Vegas area who are also strip "buskers" . They literally asked people if they'd like to take a picture with them and THEN informed folks that it would be $2 or $5 to take one or both character photos . My complaints to the organizers ...yes YOU Jimmy Jay... fell on deaf ears as I was told they "paid" for the empty space . These two guys proceeded to RAKE IN CA$H for the remainder of the weekend while I was lucky enough to break even and pay for food that weekend . It was crass and a $hitty way to represent the cos-play community .

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  19. One other point... Most Cons flatly say that if you are on the Con floor, you're agreeing to have your image taken and that statement is part of the paperwork for the convention. They generally do this to cover themselves for their own photographers (and guest photographers, or just general congoers) from any legal trouble from a picture getting used in publicity material, or on a website, etc. So these people have already technically agreed to have their picture taken. I don't mind someone asking for donations to charity or something like that after the fact (the 501st regularly attends birthday parties and the like in return for donations to children's charities), but it should be optional and not expected.

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  20. I have a bunch of costumes. How sad would it be for kids wanting a pic as me as Batman and I tell them $ 1 or $5 . Unbelievable.

    Sdcostumeguy

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  21. If I have posted this twice sorry. I met the Spock cosplayer at a show in Evansville, Indiana. Geek Galaxy He came by my booth and bought a bunch of Star Trek (DC series) comics from the $1 boxes. He signs them and sells them. He does very much look like Spock - though a few inches taller. I should have taken a picture of him going through the boxes but I didn't think of it. Anyway, I can't remember the charity - but the money he collects goes to a specific charity. Childhood disease maybe? I can't remember what charity he said. But that's the story - and makes the couple of bucks a bit more acceptable.

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  22. Simply shameful, yes one creations and costume there is a lot of efforts and much detail that goes into our outfits.. However, to suggest or demand to be paid and be spiteful to the many fans we encounter…again SHAME TO YOU…IF this norm continues and the CON gets wind of this is, this actions will kill and ruin it for the other individuals and Clubs who also cosplay. For not everyone who dresses up feels the needs to charge a good kind person wanting to waste there film on our efforts…..

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  23. I know the Artist the preformed the Groot in that picture. He's well known in the community and offers his time to help alot of cosplayers. He has never turned anyone away from taking his picture, and only had the tip stump out for a short time before he realized it was a bad idea. Personally I tip people I see in great costumes, because I enjoy supporting the artsists. But I can't stand people who charge for their photo, unless it involves raising money for a charity. Did you even reach out to him for a comment?

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    1. I removed my previous comment. The individual did contact me after the fact. We stated only the facts, right next to the picture, so there is no misunderstanding of his intentions. I suggested he keep his head down and ride this out. He made the mistake, it was seen by more than a few people, so there shouldn't be any surprise that this got out. He has said he's done this at other events as well, so it really wasn't a one time thing. How many times can you do something and still call it bad judgement? I'm trying to let him be but he made a post on his own facebook page about it, so I don't really think he's trying to stay clear of this at all. Again, I would urge him and his friends, if they want to protect him, let it be, move on, and don't do it again.

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    2. I am assuming when he says "tip", he means a business card. At least in his home town he has NEVER given anyone monetary tips for a great costume. Supporting other artists? He also only tags famous cosplayers, none of the local artists are worthy. And for some odd reason his friends are defending the right to ask for tips. This is a horrible idea. There is a local con coming up, can't wait to see him and all of his friends at their booths asking for tips. Great job on giving this hobby a bad image for Groot to grow on.

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    3. You imbecile... You clearly did not read what the person you are responding to actually wrote..........

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  24. How about the people taking the photo turn around and ask for a promotion fee? After all, the person taking the pic will probably stick it on one of the social networks where it will be shared, liked, tweeted etc. That all adds up to promoting that cosplayer online...

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  25. People here seem to be so offended by the idea of paying for a picture. Honestly, as someone who cosplays I complete understand the reasoning behind it. When you attend comic con you're paying up to $185 just for the ticket for the weekend, add on food and hotel if you're from out of town and of course the 100+ you probably spent on all the atuff for your costume. Its and extremely expensive weekend. Then when you go you're asked constantly to stop for pictures, my friend dressed as a princess and was asked hundreds of times per day, even when she was sitting down trying to rest or clearly in a hurry to get somewhere. Costumers are treated like its their obligation to stop and pose, which is fine for most of them. But if someone asked for dollar or two for a picture of their costume they spent so much time and money on, and the time I was taking out of their short opportunity to be at comic con once a year to make them stop what they were doing and pose for me and 20 other people fumbling with their smart phones. I wouldnt begrudge them for it, so few people do it and the ones who do are probably in need of it to afford to go be part of the magic. Please stop acting like you're all entitled to free pictures of everyone you meet at comic con, they stop and pose for you because they like making the event fun for people. People are commenting saying paying for a picture is disgusting, im sure they never spent weeks crafting a cosplay from scratch jist to wear it for one weekend that costs them near 1,000 out of pocket.

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    1. I have to agree with Angelica here. As a photographer I don't expect models or other artists to provide their time or services for nothing, even if it's just copies of the images for their own portfolio. At the same time I think it's important to do it right. Demanding money for a pic is over the top. But following the Groot approach in the article and abiding by the rules of the con, I don't see a problem with it. These cosplayers are not making a profit off of this. They're lucky to offset the cost of the costume, let alone pay for any of their con experience.

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    2. You take that burden on yourself when you cosplay. You do it FOR the attention you get. "Charging" for it or asking for donations is just greedy as fuck. Other people shouldn't have to sponsor your hobby. If you want to get paid for it, get hired to do it.

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    3. You KNOW you get stopped for pictures when you wear a costume. If that bothers you when wearing your expensive costume at this expensive con then don't bring it.. simple. I wore my (very expensive and movie replica) Tie Pilot for half a day and was prepared for the photo taking. I got stopped every few minutes or so for a picture but I am not going to ask for money or donation because I had to fly in on 2 different planes, buy passes, hotel, food, and pay extra for the costume luggage blabla.. That is just stupid. You make that choice yourself to bring it and it shouldn't be the con goers that have to pay for it.

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    4. "Cosplayers are not making a profit off of this." Wtf is wrong with you. You have the same mindset as Groot that thinks you get to beg for handouts because you cosplay? It's an experience.... that's the point. Do not ruin this hobby because you want to profit from playing dress up. If he was a con guest, and still did this at his booth, I would call bs on it as well. They get a free space, advertisement, and are now part of the con experience. He did not create the character nor play him in the movie. Go sit on his tip stump, you are not seeing the reason why 99% cosplay.

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    5. Hi Angelica, I'm a cosplayer and I know how much money it takes to do this hobby. I thought it was meant to not only entertainer ourselves, but others too. I enjoy being stopped often to take pictures with adults and kids, and good off. It's part of what makes it exciting for me. I couldn't have it in my heart to randomly tell people who payed to be at a con to charge me for a photo. Not to mention it is a crime. (Read one of the last post in the artical.)

      People these days just don't understand there is a place and time for everything. If you want to be payed for this hobby, then search jobs that do. Or, get into costume related media jobs.

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    6. I totally agree with the anonymous person that stated you do it FOR attention. That is what cosplay has always been about. How much attention can I get with my costume. You want to be stopped a hundred times to get your photo taken, and don't even try to pretend like you don't. Otherwise, you wouldn't bother dressing up.

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    7. If you dont want to let people take a picture, tell them "No" & keep walking. Better yet, carry a sign with the prices you charge so there aren't any misunderstandings from all the other con-goers. Asking other fans to give you money to support your hobby is lazy & rude. Can't afford to cosplay? Get a 2nd job or find ways to do it cheaper.

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    8. If you choose to attend a convention
      If you choose to make a costume
      If you choose to stay at a hotel
      If you choose to put your costume on and wear it on the convention floor

      YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY FOR YOUR RIDE.

      There are vendors there who have paid to sell their wares. This whole cosplay famous is ridiculous, shallow, and narcissistic. I

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    9. Jada said it best! You chose to go to the con, you chose to pay that much money to do so. It's not other people's problem to pay your way in life. Get a job at a booth if you want money. YOU'RE the entitled one in this situation.

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    10. I am going to stop you right there and explain why, Angie.

      There are two types of cosplayers out there: The hobby type and the professional type. With the type you are talking about, they are doing this for the sake of their hobby. And while a hobby can lead to promotional spots, and cosplayers in Japan also obtaining modeling gigs, many of these hobbyists started by spending money for the sake of supporting their hobby.

      However... What you are detailing is exploitation, not a passion. Yes, cosplaying may reduce the amount of time you can do at a convention. But you also need to consider that you are making fans happy, putting your face out there, and generating the chance to turn it into a profitable side-profession. What you said destroys all that because no respecting organization would want to hire a cosplayer with that kind of behavior.

      In all cases, as I say this, I recall my accidental trip to Otome Road. In one shop, as I say this, I remember seeing photos of male cosplayers posing as characters from well known series. Did they start off as hobbyists? Possibly. But this does reflect the fact that even if a person chooses to be known for a single character, their recognition helps them develop the chance to model as said character in semi-professional and professional publications.

      The point I am making is a counterpoint to your excuse: True hobbyists do not financially exploit for any reason. If they want to make money, look into making it a profession. The right resources can lead to international photo shoots, working for select companies, and more. What you are using as an excuse ruins that because those who do such have no regard for anybody but themselves and any gains they can make.

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  26. Dear writers,

    I have to ask has anyone spoken to mr. Calen Hoffman the groot Cosplayer in your photo?
    https://www.facebook.com/calen.hoffman.31/posts/10153982469536124

    This is the statement he issued in reaction to this article of yours. I find myself asking this why was he not contacted for his side of the story? Also I do agree that what they are doing is a problem. A fair-use agreement could be used by companies that would completely stop cosplay permanently at all convention. Also as photographer this would deter any desire to do photo sessions because of cost on both ends.

    Though I think an article follow up with Calen Hoffman; would shed some light on this donation spree that seems to be showing up.
    Also it might help to see what other cosplayers think about donations for costumes overall. Just some thoughts.

    Sincerely,
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    1. We did not know who he was at the time of publication. We do now. We've discussed things. He does not want to issue a public statement to us, but issued that on his facebook page. He is doing as he pleases. Any cosplayer is welcome to speak up on the topic.

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    2. Here is a reply: If you are doing it for donations, do it for an organization that benefits from it. Have a clear sign citing what organization the donations go to, be it on a sign or a business card. This would result in the cosplayer gaining a more positive recognition, unless they lie about who they are donating to or even kept any of the amount for themselves (cheap meals are often excused). Because in the end, it is the level of professionalism and positive reputation that matters the most. And this is where the chance of turning a hobby into a professional paying gig happens.

      So here is my counter-question for you: Would YOU charge people to enjoy your hobby, or would you share your love of said hobby with others?

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  27. I am groot apparently mean "pay me", what a disgrace.

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  28. Once you ask for money you are no longer cosplaying. You are a person who is committing a copyright infringement crime, panhandling and conducting business without proper licensing in that city. Your entry to the con is as a guest. You did not pay the proper fees and licensing to charge for someone taking your photo like the vendors do ( which they don't even charge for). Oh and according to the federal government tips are income and taxed as such.
    I hope that the person asking for donations for a cause were not lieing about the cause because that would be extra slimy.
    Sadly I could see the cons being taken over by corporate entities and then all of us happy just having fun players no longer be allowed to attend in the costumes we lovingly and painstakingly put together. Prices going up and corporations no longer needing resellers, they would just cut them out and pay staff to sell their stuff at a both instead. I know I'm being extreme but in todays world this could happen.
    As a side note the crowd on Friday at Anime Expo seemed less friendly and different from last year too. (staff included). I did not attend comic con this year.

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    1. This is very good points indeed. I would not be surprised if those situations happen eventually.

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  29. Not surprised at all, that groot maker is far from a good guy, ask him where he got his Cap America helmet, or should I say who he recast.

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  30. My fiancé and I saw "Spock Vegas" at the Indiana comicon in March 2015. He was rather rude to a bunch of the con goers, putting his had ON your phone, turning his back, and telling people "no pictures" then pointing at the sign on his table. It was really a bad experience. But we didn't let it dampen our spirits. There were plenty more cosplayers that were more than willing to have their picture taken, most only requesting that if you post on social media that you tag them in it. This was our first con and we had a blast. We can't wait to hit up the others in our area.

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    1. Hey thanks for lying and tainting my reputation. You never saw that happen by the way. I did " touch" a camera once cause the aggressive guy put his camera one feet from my face and I pushed back. He acted like a bully and I stood my ground. And yes I turn around a lot, so they don't get a good shot, cause it's the only way to have the person come up to me and ask to pose, so I can tell them what I do at my booth.

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    2. No sir, you taint your OWN reputation. I saw you act like a jerk to people at Wizard World Fanfest in Chicago, March 2015. Get bent, Fake Spock!!!

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  31. I am Spock Vegas. I never thought cosplayers asked for money inside cons. I was a street entertainer on Fremont street in Vegas for 4 years, then starting cons in Sept 14, raising funds for Epilepsy. I paid up to $1000 for a booth plus my plane and horel and still raised funds on top of that for 28 cons. I recently started to get free tables when Mr Nimoy died because I am the best Spock promotors have seen and they want me at their show. I ask upfront for a donation and I am fair with everybody and when I am rude, blocking the shot, and excuse me but it is absolutely false I touch the camera, t's because someone is rude to me, and takes a picture without asking, first rule of cosplay. Cosplay is not conscent. Especially when I am a professional look-alike. My image is the only thing I got and if you are taking a picture of me without asking, you a stealing my image, just like in a store. Most cons now have drapes hiding ig names from people that didn't pay $100 for a 7 second picture. Hey, if $2 or $5 is too much for a picture with a good Spock at his booth or on the floor when I go get a sandwich, when you stop me, take one from a distance like so many do. They donate because they know it's a good cause and they say "no problem, you're worth it".

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    1. "Stealing my image".... that is such bullshit. You didn't create Spock, but have no problem trying to make money off of the character. If you are trying to raise funds for charity or to find a cure for a disease then have a sign that says so. You complain about how much money you've spent to go to these cons and raise money for Epilepsy...how about you not go to cons and donate the money you would have spent? Don't try to make yourself look like a saint, because you're not.

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    2. So you have no idea what I do it seems. When people ask , I point to the donation jar that says Epilepsy foundation. I do this for them yes, and give them part of the proceeds and they are very happy according to all the receipts and letters I get from them, but mostly I do this to pay for the trip and bring Spock to thousands of ST ans Spock fans every weekend. The smiles, the comments from shocked people, the media coverage that helps the Comic con I'm at. Those are many good reasons to continue my mission... to boldly do what no man had done before. 5 years of this already and no one can tell me I'm wrong after all I've done for people, cons and charity. I "sell" my pictures cause that's what people want when they see me. Other popular female Cosplayers give pics with fans but sell their prints, cause that's what fans want from them. I don't bullshit, I do what I have to do to bring Spock to fans. If I were to stay home, there would be no money for me or the charity and no SpockVegas to waw people. And people love and need Spock more than you think. That is why I am succeeding, and why I continue what I do. The needs of the many...

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    3. SpockVegass, the more you write, the more you dig a hole. I would stop while you can since this article has been shared over 13K times and true costumers and cosplayers are seeing you for what you really are. When you say you bring something good to the conventions, look at how many people alone say they had a bad experience with you on this thread. You give cosplay a bad name, you get a free ride to be part of the convention experience, not to force donations because it's your image, or in fact, it's really not your image. Hopefully conventions will start taking note of the bad experiences people are having because of your invites. You want to be Spock, start thinking like him, you are far from Nimoy with how you are treating his fans.

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    4. I saw this joker Spock Vegas with my own eyes being very rude to people at Wizard World Fanfest Chicago in March 2015. Such a big shot you are, yapping here about how people are "stealing" your image. It's not your image, it's the property of whoever owns Star Trek now. Forgive me for not knowing who actually owns the IP, since I think Trek is silly.

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    5. Not only does he not own the right to Star Trek, but he doesn't own the rights to Leonard Nimoy's image. He is not selling his image, he is profiting off of the image of someone else.

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    6. Uhhhhh I don't think you understand the 'Cosplay is not Consent' movement if you are applying it to your own narcissism. That's a pretty disgusting justification to make for what you are doing and what happens to female/male cosplayers who are physically manhandled or sexually assaulted. You sir.......are no Saint and do a dishonor to Leonard Nimoy.

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  32. As a member of a costume group, we do fundraising events for charity throughout the year, but never at a convention. Our policy is simply "Pictures free, donations welcome" and we have handlers that tell every person that.

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    1. You are right, you can't control people. They'll do what they do anyway, so why bother trying to teach each one the first rule of cosplay: ask first, shoot if there is consent. It's probably their first con anyway. And most kid don't have money on them.

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  33. Actually, if you wanted to be technical about it you are in a public forum, anyone can take your photo. They can't sell it, but they can take it there is no law saying that they can't. It is nice to ask, but you don't have to. I've been a photographer for years. I can legally take your picture walking down the street. Using the excuse cosplay is not consent is a rediculous and sorry excuse to be rude to someone. That's like saying they were rude to me, so I am justified in being red back, when they did nothing but take your photo at an open convention. I'm a nice person and I ask, but if someone puts their hand in front of my camera, and especially if they touch it we are going to have a major issue. Stealing your image is a false statement though. No such thing unless they sell it.

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    1. They sell it. I see myself all the time in paid publications. The photographer owns the rights and sold it. Others use it online without consent in social media too. Spock's image is very important to me, I represent him and I rather have a picture posted of me posing as Spock, instead of me eating a sandwitch at my booth, taken by a sniper. If you say stealing is a false statement, why are they hiding then, trying tricks I have seen thousands of times. Why are there laws in certain countries that you can't take pictures of people on the street. Because it makes you feel bad to take something without prior conscent. And if you don't, and feel absolutely fine taking pictures of anybody anywhere in public, then you are jaded and have no moral. Because there is still in this world, respect of privacy in effect, and respect of people's wishes and preferences, even in public, and especially when dealing with a pro Cosplayer or look-alike that does this FOR A LIVING. If there are no rules and no moral and no respect, then why not underskirt pictures I ask you. Will you say "Well she was wearing a skirt in public". It's just a matter of angle if the subject is irrelevant. Oh, not the same thing, well my face is mine and it's my prize possession and my only "ass"et, so I would like to protect it, with my hand but mostly with the hopeless hope that the natural human inclination to just snap a picture at anything they want will be preceded by a thought for the subject, another human being, not a chair. Actually anyone snaping repeatedly pictures of non dressed up kids or beautiful girls without conscent would be thrown out the con after only one complain by any con goer. Even by a female Cosplayer feeling uneasy, like it happened in Montreal last week when captured by a renouned 3D cameraman. Thrown OUT and banned forever in front of my booth with 4 guards threatening him.

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    2. On one hand you speak of your hobby as focused on "the needs of the many." Yet, in post such as this you speak self-centered on how priceless your image is to you.

      If you were so focused on doing what you do for charity, it would not bother you if they sold your image. (In fact I would be flattered.) Why? Because that is advertisement for others to come see you, and means the community values your talent to the degree they would go out of their way to publish a photo of you.

      Eating a sandwich isn't anything anyone would look down on you for, but it bothers you due to you having this ego to uphold, (as your post here clearly shows.) You take yourself too seriously, and that is a no-no for this hobby.

      In fact, if you really cared about charity or the hobby in a positive view, it would of never came to your mind to mention the cost of the cons you attend.

      I am a cosplayer, and this is a hobby meant for entertaining both ourselves and others with our talents. That is the foundation of cosplay. These narcissistic post you're making are only serving to make you appear as an egoistical panhandler. I would stop if this isn't your intention.

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    3. Agreed. The more Fake Spock posts, the worse he looks.

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    4. Yes, for example twisting Stormy's words calling her, "jaded and with no moral." Simply for stating the fact that there is no law against taking public photos of people in a public place was uncalled for. She clearly stated she always ask, but just that is what our laws are currently.

      The whole statement of "pro cosplayer" who does it for a living isn't an excuse not accept what is the consequences of this hobby. If one is so sensitive with privacy issues of becoming popular and many wanting photos, then it's time to do something else for a living, Not everyone is comfortable with celebrity treatment I understand, but if that is the case, quit the hobby and find another hobby that doesn't have those aspects.

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  34. So here, you said what you THINK I am, a narcissistic panhandler, and so it's clear you both have your opinions that do not reflect my every weekend reality. But I am not a Cosplayer and this is not only my hobby like all of you. And all this conversation is about Buskers/Cosplayers starting to charge for posing. So since I am a pro look-alike, with a booth, and proper exhibitor's badge and temporary state licence, I will let you continue talking about your main topic, and withdraw myself from this conversation that I entered simply to clarify what I do for ST fans that enjoy seeing me. I have made myself clear, but of course only the deformed 1% dirty stuff is emphasized. Hey, that's how I decided to do my thing, so I have to live with it. By the way, out of 5000 satisfied fans per weekend, if a few delicate feathers are ruffled, oh well, I am sorry for them, but I am surely not the one giving cosplay a bad name. Read the headlines and the articles, I am a real GENTLEMAN. If you have any other constructive comments, come tell me tomorrow at my booth at London Film & Comicon.

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    1. I cannot judge you as a person since I do not know you; threrfore, I never said that is what I think you are. I only was referring to the tone and choice of words your posts' implys. I notice you avoid arguing against my points, and rather speak of your fans; that of which is a questionable action to me. If you're a gentlemen in real life, that's good, but your post here just doesn't reflect that. Writing "I am this" isn't a typical reaction if you're confident your actions display so.

      Now you come clear again that you're not a cosplayer as a hobby. It's just hard to believe that what you do is the only option of making a living for your life, but it's not my place to question that. It just seems hard to believe reading the tone and choice of words in your post, but alas, that is my view based on my own set of experiences.

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    2. Can I give you an honest opinion? If the "image of Spock" is valued to you, then your attitude and level of professionalism would be different. For beginners, you should have resolved the issues that others have brought up. Even if it was one person at a time or offered through a public email-based option. And you would also show gratitude towards those who have donated for your cause, those who have said nice things about you, and the fact you were given a compliment about your uncanny resemblance.

      You did NONE of these things. Emphasis on NONE.

      The entire time you spoke, while using the ANON name, you accused one person of being a liar. You acted like you own Spock's image. You brought up subjects and information that have you make an attempt to divert what wrong you have done here onto others that cannot defend themselves. And you capnit with a self-made sponsorship.

      Seriously... How can you excuse any of this illogical behavior in the name of Spock? Your behavior in the name of Spock is parallel to how William Shatner handled Star Trek V!!!

      The point I am making is simple: You have no defense and are not acting like a professional. If you want to be Spock, or represent Spock, follow this one quote: "The sacrifice of the few, or the one, outweighs the sacrifice of the many." As in the fact if you do it for something you want to support, make it about them. Do not make it about yourself, as detailed in your ANON posts here.

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    3. I've read all your post Kuma, and want to give you much respect for how well you express points. Much better than I could of done.

      Reading over all the replies of this actor named Spock Vegas shocked me; not just for the level of extreme unprofessional in handling I and the views of others, but his attitude is unbelievable.

      If his image is so important to him, even if it is for selfish reasons, he would of done his best to talk with each of us with respect, even if one of us did not show any. He would with open-kindness towards each of us explaining as to why we misunderstand him, and offer to want to speak with each of us personally. That is not just professionalim, but how any honest person who loves what they do would treat a situation like this.

      Did this happen? Quite the opposite.

      In a nut shell, his reaction is to dehumanize us. This whole out of thousands of fans, I couldn't care less about you few meaningless "ruffled feathers." I just "feel sorry" you people.

      As if we're just defaulted items.

      If I were one of his fans, and read that last post he directed to me (but for some reason posted it on the main board.) I would be asking, well wait - does this mean I am just one of thousands that's just a product to boost you? Because you sure do not care about the few who give a darn enough to express their thoughts that you disagree with.

      This is a perfect example that solidifies the reasons I keep away from nearly all fandoms in the west.

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  35. I am one of those guys that believe in how the Japanese handle this hobby. I also believe that if you want to make money supporting your hobby, go the dojin path and sell professional-level photos. This means spending more money for the photos and booth. Or do what I have tried doing: Sell tshirts that promote you and have your profits go towards your hobby. Either way, you are being a professional and not a pseudo-celebrity.

    Because let me give the counter-pointers an example: Once I achieve my campaign goals for my honeymoon, I want to try again and sell promotional tshirts for a business I want to start. And lets say that I am successful with the latter campaign. And lets say that I wanted cosplayers to work for me. Which one of the two types should I hire?

    A) The cosplayer that sacrificed his or her funds for said hobby, and does not extort or alienate anybody for any gains?

    B) The cosplayer that does the same sacrificing, but snubs those that can give them no reputation and/or monetary gain?

    Think about it. Because with my current campaign, and upcoming business related campaign, I am doing it for others more than myself. And that is how others feel that this hobby should be done -- As it can help progress into paying jobs, etc.

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  36. I've never had too much use for the IRS before, but this seems right up their wheelhouse for some reason.

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  37. I found this site because I also had a bizarre encounter with Spock Vegas at the Salt Lake Comic Con and after asking around found many people knew exactly who I was talking about and thought he was charging for photos and shouldn't be so I wondered if there was anything online about it.

    Well, here's my expirience. I saw him standing (to me he appeared to be posing) in one of the aisle ways from a distance and so I made my way over to take a picture but when I got there he wouldn't make eye contact with me so I figured he didn't want to break character and I'd just take the picture. Apparently a bad move on my part. After he blocked my camera with his hand and I thought he was going to grab the camera (he thought he was violated? what about my personal bubble space?) I received a reaming from him I won't soon forget and neither will my companions who said his shocking behavior ruined Spock's character for them. After the reaming he stuck his nose up in the air...literally in the air, like he's royalty and I'm a peasant.

    I can understand someone feeling violated by not being asked to have their picture taken (but keep in mind I thought he posing and didn't want to break character) I could have honestly apologized for that if his anger level wouldn't have started off at a 10 and he hadn't finished it off by sticking his nose in the air. By that point I just felt dismissed. I never saw any booth that he was part of and he certainly didn't explain he was doing pictures for charity.

    Given the setting of Comic Con (people are generally excited and generous about having their picture taken. I know I am when I'm in costume) he just came across as a psycho. But I think my friend said it best as we walked away..."well, he's just a big tease, isn't he?" He dresses up, he poses, but if things don't go down the way he wants it's all over. The sad part is that for a lot of people he's not just destroying the image of himself he's destroying the image of Leonard Nimoy and the image of the charity he's working with.

    Spock Vegas if you're listening and you're interested at all in making more money for your charity, making more fans, and maybe improve your image just...be kind. Generosity never hurt anyone. Explain yourself and your charity to people in a manner that makes people want to donate and take your picture. Don't make things worse with arrogant replies and treating people like dirt. I've worked in retail for 15 years. Dealing with the public sucks sometimes, I get that, but I could never act the way you do to potential customers and still have a job. Be grateful for what you have and remember at the end of the day you're not really Spock and non of us are cosplayers. We're all just imperfect humans.

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  38. The only time I ever paid a cosplayer to do anything, I can't tell you here because this is a family friendly show 😉

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